This is downloaded from the Internet and doesn't need a HP.
CW I always respect your posts but I don't get the above. Are you an advocate of the steps and posting the above because you believe the 12 steps are the only way to recovery? I'm only seeking clarification because the "alternative" steps above just seem sarcastic? Best wishes, Phil.
Agree with phil it does seem a tad sarcastic, although 2 is spot on there is no greater power than ones self and those that believe otherwise are most likely the ones insane
I see the sarcasm but I also see me...That is exactly where I was!
I'm with Phil all the way .
I think that's the 12 Steps for being a Cynical Wife.
Hat doffed CW. The polar opposite of what the 12 Steps are saying encapsulated superbly & without the dreaded G or HP reference.
Really not understanding those who dont want to embrace the Steps or even attend a meeting having an opinion on changing the wording for those who do go. Guess it must be that there is no power greater than oneself.
Welcome to the forum IMMWTNMOI...I think your time may be better spent trolling elsewhere, I have flagged your post as abusive.
ODAAT thanks for forming your opinion based on a single post I made on a thread that is not exactly serious. I am hardly being abusive, my post was tongue in cheek.
Think Cynical wife always posts with good intentions.
That's cool.
In this case I think there are more helpful alternatives than sarcasm d:-) ...
SMART Recovery
Women for Sobriety
LifeRing Secular Sobriety
Moderation Management
Secular Organizations for Sobriety (SOS)
Rational Recovery
Some more aimed at alcoholics but so were the 12 steps. Even if we disagree with a particular stance, we can learn from them all and broaden the mind.
The 12 steps seem to have a bit of a loosening stranglehold on addiction treatment.
There are other options available.
Do your research, be open-minded and stay safe.
day@atime wrote: Hat doffed CW. The polar opposite of what the 12 Steps are saying encapsulated superbly & without the dreaded G or HP reference. Really not understanding those who dont want to embrace the Steps or even attend a meeting having an opinion on changing the wording for those who do go. Guess it must be that there is no power greater than oneself.
There is no greater power than Ines self but that's my opinion and I also respect yours dan. I don't think they should change the wording either, god is referenced a lot but back then people were a lot more religious than those we find in our society today , god is also multi faith which swings the door open to anyone does it not? It would possibly be a disaster to a few of those who have worked the steps/program for them to all of a sudden change the meaning or even add different ones. I generally get the feel it wouldn't be fair. There's a reason they haven't tried to change the wheel in centuries and that's because there's no need to. Ga works well for those that want to work it. Should of put want in capitals? Those that don't will pick as many problems with it and excuses as possible, my excuse was I wasn't ready to stop at the time I visited and as good as I found the place and people I didn't want to waste their time.
I would like some clarification on what higher power is though if it isn't yourself and you're not a man of faith who do you hand yourself over to?
Well I guess if I don't do the steps of GA or go to meetings I'll be miserable, in denial, full of BS and inevitably gamble again. A rosy future indeed.....
Like what I always say WE CANT ALL BE THE SAME .. EVERYONE IS AN INDIVIDUAL 🙂
Glint wrote: Think Cynical wife always posts with good intentions. That's cool. In this case I think there are more helpful alternatives than sarcasm d:-) ... SMART Recovery Women for Sobriety LifeRing Secular Sobriety Moderation Management Secular Organizations for Sobriety (SOS) Rational Recovery Some more aimed at alcoholics but so were the 12 steps. Even if we disagree with a particular stance, we can learn from them all and broaden the mind. The 12 steps seem to have a bit of a loosening stranglehold on addiction treatment. There are other options available. Do your research, be open-minded and stay safe.
And the list goes on Glint, thanks for bringing that to this debate. I guess you could also add Cardhues ACT to the list
An relevant/ irrelevant fact but sat out side at the moment with a coffee and a cig and a familiar red robin dancing to the beat. So despite my thoughts that consciousness and a open mind is a key to re(dis)covery but nature is a sight higher (power) than my head.
An odd conclusion but the 12 steps are deceiving in the fact that they may take a 1112 steps to get to the destination you seek.
Cynical wife wrote:
This is downloaded from the Internet and doesn't need a HP.
- We admitted we were powerless over nothing. We could manage our lives perfectly and we could manage those of anyone else that would allow it.
- Came to believe that there was no power greater than ourselves, and the rest of the world was insane.
- Made a decision to have our loved ones and friends turn their wills and their lives over to our care.
- Made a searching and fearless moral inventory of everyone we knew.
- Admitted to the whole world at large the exact nature of their wrongs.
- Were entirely ready to make others straighten up and do right.
- Demanded others to either "shape up or ship out".
- Made a list of anyone who had ever harmed us and became willing to go to any lengths to get even with them all.
- Got direct revenge on such people whenever possible except when to do so would cost us our own lives, or at the very least, a jail sentence.
- Continued to take inventory of others, and when they were wrong promptly and repeatedly told them about it.
- Sought through nagging to improve our relations with others as we couldn't understand them at all, asking only that they knuckle under and do things our way.
- Having had a complete physical, emotional and spiritual breakdown as a result of these steps, we tried to blame it on others and to get sympathy and pity in all our affairs.
I'm wondering to myself why I found reading that hard ?
No answers on a post card required.
A good share CW, us addicts don't like the truth and sensitive to sarcasm.
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