Roulette Addict

Gosh, what a sad story. Can't you buy a cheaper car and still pay off your loan ? Gambling, certainly casino gambling, is NOT a money-making scheme. Otherwise who would work in chicken factories disassembling chickens, thousands of them a day on an assembly line? who would clean for rich people, scraping their caviar-infused c**P off their toilets etc?

Plenty of people have been where you are now, exploring roulette systems and falling for the zero system, Martingale etc. Hasn't it occurred to you that if a zero system or a Martingale system really worked, then it wouldn't be allowed? Don't you know the numbers on a roulette wheel add up to 666, the Devil's number ? Add them up yourself if you don't believe me. Whatever you do at roulette you will never overcome the house edge in the long run. It's basic mathematics. The whole of Vegas was built on it. If I said to you lend me £100, I'll pay you back £97.30 in 30 seconds time, would you do it? Then lend me the £97.30 & I'll pay you back £94.67 in another 30 seconds, and so on, until you had nothing and I had everything, would you do that ? That is what you are doing, in the long term average, in exchange for watching a video of a roulette wheel in Latvia or the Phillipines or some other dodgy location.

Do you really think these online 'live' casinos are straight? Haven't you noticed the ball often acting very strangely at the end of a spin, e.g. slowing down then speeding up 'all by itself' etc? avoiding numbers where there's a large liability for the casino? such as zero ? where some lost Soul in the UK keeps staking £200 on it?

I think you would find ' The Gambler' by Dostoyevsky a very poignant & helpful read. The main female character in the novel has the same system as you. You could probably find a used copy for a pound or so on an auction site, maybe from a skint gambler.

The brainwashing / conditioning regime you are setting yourself up for is IMMENSE, lose twenty maybe thirty times in a row ('come on, come on') then BANG big win 36x your stake (even though if it were fair it would be 37x), an IMMENSE CHEMICAL HIT for your brain & your psychology, leaving you salivating for the next hit, unsure when it will come. You are creating a HUGE PSYCHOLOGICAL TRAP for yourself, you will never be able to control such a MENTAL CAGE for yourself, it's just humanely IMPOSSIBLE, unless you stop completely.

The way you trivialise your losses worries me, it feels like you potentially have a long, long, long way to fall down, a lot of savings / loans / assets to burn through unless you stop now. I'd suggest reporting ALL of your debit / credit cards lost so you can no longer use them and using cash and / or a prepaid 'credit' card for six months at least. And open up to your partner, even if you feel it necessary to understate the losses.

Realistically, if you did recommence & did 'win' back the portion of your losses you seek, would you stop there & then ? Really? Come on. You've already been there, and done that, and what happened next?

Good morning... I haven’t placed a bet since Friday. Day 3 today. It was very hard all. I keep doing is logging on to see the wheel and what the ball would land on. But I haven’t deposited or placed a bet. Then it’s the mental torture battling with myself, it’s pure agony and hatred for myself why I think like this. How long does it take to forget it altogether? I don’t think I can do this it’s really very hard. Because I’ve had success in the past, it always makes me think I can do again but also a part of me wants to just forget and move on. 

Thanks for you’re reply Dave. I do understand the house edge on it that’s why I don’t think there is any reason for them to rig the game. There’s no reason for them too as they already have their edge and I don’t expect to get rich from it. All I want is to recoup some of the loss back and I can honestly say I would stop. Another day today- I’m just taking this one day at a time. 

@roulettegotme One of the shames of this addiction is you normally need to be at your rock bottom place before you can start helping yourself. The irony is you have a choice before you get to that place like you do now. How many take the help now? Unfortunately I couldn't but I go on here hoping someone can.

In my opinion, you can make this as easy or as difficult as you like. The easy way involves putting in blocks of various types, not watching what your addiction was, finding a group or a helpline, telling those around you, giving over money, and so on.

The difficult way is keeping your access to money, constantly watching and convincing yourself you can beat it this time, keeping it secret and the lies that go with that, and hoping you don't gamble, relying on willpower.

Easy or difficult?

Oh, have you told your partner?

Chris.

Hello.

I am very serious about taking the help. That’s the reason why I have stayed strong and not placed a bet but somehow going on to look at the wheel spinning cures me for the urge. Just looking at it and imagining I had placed a bet. It’s sick. I could have easily just hit deposit but keep fighting it. It’s the mental torture that drains me. Constantly battling with myself. It’s like there’s a logical side and irrational side in me all cancelling out each other. 

I cannot tell my partner this, he relies on me to be his rock and he himself is battling his own problems. I need to stay strong for him an not let him see me like this.

I will not risk money for my car as I need that. My problem now is how to get through the years with now 2 loan repayments which should have been just one. 

I think you're being very naive thinking the casinos already have their house edge therefore why should they rig the game? Any business wants to maximise it's profit on turnover, why settle for 2.7% when you can achieve 35-40% through the use of readily-available technology? There's no honour amongst thieves. Maybe have a look at roulette videos on youtube for example, to see some evidence for yourself? The fact that there is any house edge means that you will lose in the long run, if you acknowledge that there is a house edge then why do you think you can make money out of it?

You say you've had win streaks before, but you're not looking at the totality of it, i.e. that you have lost far more than you have won. All gamblers remember the wins and forget the (bigger) losses. There are plenty of cars available for less than 10k. Consider that you are using the thought process 'I do not have what I need' as an excuse to gamble again in the near future.

Again you come across in your innocence and your wishful thinking like a lamb heading for slaughter. If you temporarily remove your access to funds by reporting your cards lost for example, then you can at least safely torture yourself by watching the games [bad idea] without the possibility of then depositing on the sites. In doing this, you're forgetting one important thing. If you actually stake your £200 or so on zero before the outcome of the spin, you have declared this bet to the house in advance of the outcome, therefore if there is anything untoward going on, the ball will be steered away from the zero section. It's like playing poker and showing your hand to your opponent. If you're staking this hypothetically in your head, then no such declaration of the bet to the house has actually taken place, therefore you will win more often in your imagination than in reality, which will falsely encourage you.

You do know it's the things we don't like doing, the things we don't want to do, that are actually better for us.

It is simple. Don't watch roulette.

It is simple. Put a gambling block on your card/bank account.

It is simple. Tell you partner so you don't have to carry on a lie. You might be his rock but who is yours?

Now they do say that stopping gambling is a simple process for complicated people. We are the ones who get in our own way.

I know I did. I fought others, I had my money, I watched racing, I had a system at the roulette table. I tried everything to not stop. I had to reach a rock bottom moment, one of many, before I could start to grow.

My hope for you is you don't have to reach a rock bottom. Yes you are hurting because you are in debt and have two loans, not one, but stop gambling and suddenly you have all your money! It's a 100% pay rise.

I'm not going to lecture you, you'll do as you want to, but use this. If you were training to play football, you'd listen to your coaches. If you were looking to lose weight, you'd listen to a personal trainer.

You are looking for help to stop gambling. Why not try doing the things that others with the experience have suggested?

This recovery malarkey is full of little sayings. One I like is "Whether you think you can or whether you think you can't, you're right."

Chris.

Hi RGM, well done on 3days without betting but sadly I can tell from your post that you are on the edge of betting again. Your post bothers me in a few ways, you are goading yourself logging in and watching the ball spin !! You still believe that there's a winning formula....there isn't it's the hook that this has got into your mind. You say that if you recoup some of your loses you will stop?? You haven't before !! in your original post there are several occasions where you were a decent amount up you didn't stop. Your mind is tricking you and unfortunately only you can start to fix this. All compulsive gamblers no matter how long they have been in recovery will be tested if you have strong barriers ie gamstop, blocks on depositing to websites thoughts and urges go quickly more often than not. These methods of quitting are tried and tested, open your mind to doing things that will help you. Prior to employing Gamstop I failed to go 24hrs without gambling the odd occasion I got past 24hrs was only because it was a Sunday or a bank holiday and I couldn't go into the bank !! I know how you feel I've been there, but by quitting gambling I cannot express in words how much better life is....I have accepted that addiction is for life and to survive tests I will always have to have strong blocking barriers in place. You are raw at the moment your thoughts are chaotic.....this will only get better with sustained time away from gambling. Take care of yourself

Hello all

Thanks for your reply. Still haven’t done it and staying strong. But I am shaking, I feel very anxious. All that’s playing through my mind is the loss really but I know I’m not going to risk any more money I have. But it’s torturing me every second, I am shaking inside and I am taking deep breaths to get rid of this anxious feeling. When does this go away? I want to stay strong but really there is such a very powerful feeling inside me that thinks there is a chance to slowly win it back. For starters, I have contemplated just doing 50p start on martingale system- because I know it’s easy to win just £20 a day which is really easily done with a capital I have. Be strict and stop once I get the £20 or lose my bankroll. Why do I keep thinking this? Because I multiply £20x 30 is £600 a month and £600 x 12 is £7200 which means I can walk away after a year with no more worry in the world... but the sensible party of me is reminding how hurt I am from Friday, really hurt so I will not do it. It’s these thoughts I want to get rid of but how? I can’t live like this... I can’t go another day like this shaking and anxious and it’s all that occupies my mind

RGM, you feel a lot better when you self exclude, block being able to deposit. Knowing that you can't deposit and also that you can't access websites really works , knowing that you can't gamble is very powerful . I hope you start to believe what we are all telling you, you are so fixated on what you think is a foolproof way of winning and the amounts. I have been where you are not roulette but another money eating game, there is no magic formula, I know someone who lost £8k in under an hour on roulette !! Talk to someone get it off your chest ...it helps. Gamcare can refer you for counselling. Get help now, I'm a different person to 8months ago

Yes I totally understand but right now I feel like the only way to feel better is looking at it, not playing.... I haven’t made a deposit and plan not to at all.... but I cannot say goodbye for some reason. I have been strong all day and not placed a bet but somehow struggling with it all. I hope this feeling fades away in time 

@roulettegotme

Hi, I wonder if you could give me some advice. I've been seeing this woman and it started off fun. Good times together, I thought I'd found my perfect match. Then things started to turn a little toxic. We finished and parted. I was determined to see her though, but everytime I did it ended badly. I wanted to go in one direction and she another. I thought I could change her. I kept looking at her thinking it would be different but every time we get together it ends badly and I regret it. 

Is there any advice you could offer to me please or are things likely to change?

Thanks

Chris.

Thanks for the words. It really helps me process. The problem is you really like this girl, and it’s hard not to look at her and stay away. Because just looking at her fills the void inside.

I really should stop doing it and looking  at it. But the more I look at it, the more I actually think- yes if I had placed a bet- I would have lost that amount by now... so somehow it’s consoling me. 

But I’m proud of myself, 3 days over... now just watching Netflix and cuddling my dog. I can’t help but dread tomorrow, what will it be like. I hate feeling so anxious and thinking about it all day. Why can’t I fill my mind with something else I wonder? There must be more to life than this.... still feeling low and depressed just hoping this feeling will pass 

Hi RGM, just wanted to say that I hope you are staying strong. 

I haven't been on here in a long time, but decided to check in due to relapse. The reason I picked to reply to this thread is because your traits are incredibly similar. 

I too played this system, I was logging in, watching a few turns before starting small and focusing on a number or two, building the stakes and waiting. That 0 is mesmerising right, and my lucky (not so lucky) number 8. This is from personal experience. 

I had some luck initially, which was probably the worst thing that could of happened. Within a month or so I was thousands and thousands into the hole. Maxing overdrafts and credit cards until I really didn't have a button. The downfall took only a few hours one Sunday, needless to say I didn't go to work the following Monday. I was like a heroin addict, shaking to deposit as fast as possible incase that number came in. 

Just remember a few things. The number you are focusing on has NO higher chance of coming in just because it hasn't rolled in 100 spins. It has the same chance as every roll before. Law of averages do not apply to a game like roulette.

The games are designed to be mesmerising, all the detail from flashes to sounds, to font styles. 

Regarding chasing of the losses...this are me up for months. I had the exact same outlook. Win the money I threw away, and never look back. This day never came. I was promoted to a VIP, I was being offered more bonuses than ever, and again, this is all the trap they lead you into. It is incredibly damaging and I was so far out of control that it scared me. All I could live and breathe was Roulette. 

I can't give you the best advice, because I am on this site again after all, but please stay strong. Such good support on here, they are 24/7. Sign in and post to your heart's content, use the chatline, and start implementing a strategy to never go back. The things I also need to do. 

Mentally write the money off, and don't just watch these games played out, that really is self torture. I can tell from your posts that you really are being hard on yourself, please don't. It's an illness, and an incredibly difficult one at that. 

Good luck.

Hi jt002, your explanation is really good, an addicted mind believes that number will come in, it could come in 10 x in 100 spins equally it might not come in at all in 200spins, and as you said each spin has equal odds. Roulette wasn't something I played very often ,other games mesmerised me. I have read a lot of posts on here and I must say Roulette players really seem to struggle to come to terms with things surrounding their addiction and RGM is not the only person's post that I've read where they watch Roulette when trying to stop. As you said that's self torture. I disagree that you can't give advice, giving advice of how you cope and what things you do is the best advice. Hope you find your way and that your post helps RGM. Best wishes

Posted by: davey

Gosh, what a sad story. Can't you buy a cheaper car and still pay off your loan ? Gambling, certainly casino gambling, is NOT a money-making scheme. Otherwise who would work in chicken factories disassembling chickens, thousands of them a day on an assembly line? who would clean for rich people, scraping their caviar-infused c**P off their toilets etc?

Plenty of people have been where you are now, exploring roulette systems and falling for the zero system, Martingale etc. Hasn't it occurred to you that if a zero system or a Martingale system really worked, then it wouldn't be allowed? Don't you know the numbers on a roulette wheel add up to 666, the Devil's number ? Add them up yourself if you don't believe me. Whatever you do at roulette you will never overcome the house edge in the long run. It's basic mathematics. The whole of Vegas was built on it. If I said to you lend me £100, I'll pay you back £97.30 in 30 seconds time, would you do it? Then lend me the £97.30 & I'll pay you back £94.67 in another 30 seconds, and so on, until you had nothing and I had everything, would you do that ? That is what you are doing, in the long term average, in exchange for watching a video of a roulette wheel in Latvia or the Phillipines or some other dodgy location.

Do you really think these online 'live' casinos are straight? Haven't you noticed the ball often acting very strangely at the end of a spin, e.g. slowing down then speeding up 'all by itself' etc? avoiding numbers where there's a large liability for the casino? such as zero ? where some lost Soul in the UK keeps staking £200 on it?

I think you would find ' The Gambler' by Dostoyevsky a very poignant & helpful read. The main female character in the novel has the same system as you. You could probably find a used copy for a pound or so on an auction site, maybe from a skint gambler.

The brainwashing / conditioning regime you are setting yourself up for is IMMENSE, lose twenty maybe thirty times in a row ('come on, come on') then BANG big win 36x your stake (even though if it were fair it would be 37x), an IMMENSE CHEMICAL HIT for your brain & your psychology, leaving you salivating for the next hit, unsure when it will come. You are creating a HUGE PSYCHOLOGICAL TRAP for yourself, you will never be able to control such a MENTAL CAGE for yourself, it's just humanely IMPOSSIBLE, unless you stop completely.

The way you trivialise your losses worries me, it feels like you potentially have a long, long, long way to fall down, a lot of savings / loans / assets to burn through unless you stop now. I'd suggest reporting ALL of your debit / credit cards lost so you can no longer use them and using cash and / or a prepaid 'credit' card for six months at least. And open up to your partner, even if you feel it necessary to understate the losses.

Realistically, if you did recommence & did 'win' back the portion of your losses you seek, would you stop there & then ? Really? Come on. You've already been there, and done that, and what happened next?

 

 

 

Dave, this post really hit me and I have to say it’s wonderfully written and you hit the nail on the head in everything that you said