Lost trying to help a family member in her addictions - any ideas or experiences appreciated

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This post is my attempt at finding at least something I could hold on to to try and help my aunt with whom something very wrong and addiction-like has obviosly been happening during the past months and/or years. I'll try to be as brief as possible but also try to say everything of use so very sorry in advance for a possible wall of text.

My aunt (grandma's sister) used to live with her parents and husband but, long story short, a few years back they all passed away and ever since she's been living on her own. The rest of the family is trying their best of course, my grandma talks with her a few times every day, we meet frequently - just to let you know that in no way was she abandoned afterwards. OK, so enough historical backround, let's get into more recent stuff.

Flash forward a few years and she took a job in a shack with slot machines. I don't want to disclose my location but they're _very_ popular here - and also illegal. Still, it's kind of a grey area so theoretically the state is fighting them but in practice, nobody gives a d**n. So my aunt started working there with a work colleague from one of her previous jobs (telemarketing) who was a pretty lowlife character to begin with (alcoholic husband, alcoholic father, living off welfare, never worked etc) and sometimes borrowed money from aunt during that previous job but all in all, nothing particularly bad. So in the beginning, they divided their shifts 50/50 and it went pretty OK. Aunt was still frequently visiting us (or we were visiting her) but she also had some occupancy besides sitting at home or being with her family all the time and it earned here some money to live off beside her pension.

Over the next months, though, slowly but steadily a weird shift started happening. Aunt was spending more and more time in the shack because the colleague constantly had some kind of excuse. Of course they were all b******t like having to prepare dinner or the likes but it fitted well with the character of that woman cause actually doing work obviously isn't what she's used to. Also, aunt started talking more and more about her and the job. More and more often in the free time the topic gravitated towards the job or her colleague. Also, phone calls started - and I don't mean that her colleague called her from time to time. Aunt would come to our home and the phone would ring for 30 minutes **straight**. One ringtone ended, another one started. Or she would go to the countryside with my grandparents as they often did together and for the whole duration of the trip, the phone kept ringing. She always ignored the phone in our presence and when she finally did answer it when arriving to the country for example, it turned out to be some absurdly unimportant thing like the colleague asking about a book for her daughter's school assignment or asking how the day was going. Something was wrong.

During the next weeks and months, aunt would become more and more attached to the job. She talked basically only about that, she didn't miss one day, she started going to the countryisde with my grandparents less and less until she stopped altogether. She would come to a few family parties telling us that she'd have to go in an hour or two because they agreed with the colleague she'll change her promptly - then, the phone would ring and she'd be ready in 5 seconds to walk out the door. She spends every day for 8 to 12 hours in the shack, every day, be it weekend or not. Every time she blames the colleague saying that she allegedly called and asked her because <some BS excuse here>. She constantly talks about how she would rather work someplace else but she does nothing to change her job and when we did give her a few numbers, she didn't call even one of them. She behaves like a robot, regardless of how she feels, she spends the whole day every day in a slot machine shack with no sunlight. A few times she looked like she was obsessed that she just _had to go_ and that really made us understand things are not good.

What also surprised us was that, despite spending the whole days there, she's constantly out of money. She stopped going to the shops with my grandma or my mom like she used to. She stopped buying things that she used to. Her days consisted of working in the shack but she was constantly broke. Also, a couple of times grandma heard that she was drunk when talking to her over the phone. To this, aunt also always had a great excuse - this player brought a champagne, her colleague brought wine, it was someone's birthday etc. It was constantly something, always made sense. It's not like she was drunk every day but there happened to be periods when grandma heard her being under influence four times during two weeks, while at work - something she would never be before.

At the end of last year, things started going even more out of control. Aunt started coming several hours late to family parties or holidays. Every time blaming it on the colleague for which she "had to cover". She came totally drunk to one of the family birthdays. On her birthday that she invited us to, she prepared nothing, for the first time in her life. Bought some fried meat from the store (which he'd always been a fierce opponent of), didn't make the cake, didn't prepare the tableware and saw no problem in it whatsoever. This may sound minute but trust me, this is so much unlike her that it really felt very, very weird. She also stopped going to the countryside with grandfolks - and even then, she keeps lying. She tells grandma that this one time she'll go and then she calls the morning of the trip and says that well, she can't, because her colleague had to go to the hospital or whatever and she had to cover for her. Every time.

During that whole time, she kept claiming that everything was alright. Yeah she would rather work elsewhere, yadda yadaa, but well what can you do. Repeated questions about what's happening to her yielded no answer. That's why she decided to go for desperate measureas and just go to her apartment and look through her stuff. Grandma found several loan agreements, from various times during the past months and a summary of various loans with checkboxes about what had been paid and what hadn't. It's hard to tell the total cause this were all her scribblings and not all agreements were there but it was easiily 8 to 10 different loan companies. Turns out she also hasn't been paying rent for at least a year then. None of her jewelry could be found either.

Grandma tried talking to her about her liabilities (not telling her straight what she knows about just yet) - aunt kept lying until she finally admitted to two of them. She also admitted to not paying the rent, but only two or three months' worth of it. During that whole time, she kept saying that there was nothing to worry about and that she'll pay it back slowly. She also said that she took one of the loans... for her colleague at work and that she has all the paperwork but she'll retrieve it and show it to us. To our surprise, the agreement that she had shown us in the following days (allegedly "retrieved from her colleague") was... the same one that grandma had found at her apartment.

We really, really want to help her. We love her, we've always been close but there's just nothing we can cling to to have her talk and start helping. She's lying more and more, as can be both seen and as grandma tells us. There's constantly the topic of the job and the colleague, who is calling her 24/7. The loans. The alcohol problem, the full degree of which we do not know.

I'm just throwing this all in the wind with the hope that somebody lived through something similar and something will struck a cord with them so that they may help us try to understand what's actually going on. Maybe something in her behaviour is typical to some specific kind of addiction. I don't know but what I do know is that things ar
e spiralling downwards and it hurts us so bad to see aunt, who had always been so honest and kind, to keep falling to the bottom.

We thought about her colleague using her and her good heart but now we don't even know to what degree things allegedly tied to her colleague are really her colleague and which are just aunt's lies to let her be cause she saw that it's a handy excuse. That's not to say that things aren't wrong with the colleague - there's _definitely_ a lot wrong with her cause this kind of compulsive calling someone 24/7 isn't normal, but I have no idea to what extent this is the root of aunt's problems and to what it is scapegoating. Alcohol episodes do occur but also it's not like aunt is drunk all the time and even if she were alcoholic, there's no way she would be able to drink as much as she borrowed - and yet that money disappears, she's always broke. We even thought about whether she's not addicted to gambling and isn't playing the slots herself - but she's always been so clear on how ridiculous playing slot machines is when she talks to us that it's the hardest one to believe. She sees people throwing their savings away there every day and when she talks about work, she constantly underlines how "dumb" she thinks they are and what she would do if she had the kind of money they throw in the gutter. The players and their company in the slot shack is S****y as you may imagine though not in the aggressive or dangerous way. Aunt has also always been afraid of medicines and would always check whether she could take a given amount of everything even if it were prescripted (hell, she even lately asked me if she can take one acetaminophen pill if she she's gonna drink one glass of champagne at the birthday) so substance abuse does sound unlike her too... There's just so many lies all around now that we know nothing - who's to blame, what's to blame, when she's lying.

If you have any ideas what may be going on and how we may even approach helping aunt - please share. Any help will be greatly, greatly appreciated.

 
Posted : 18th March 2019 8:29 pm
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Hi fleece91. If she is gambling that will account for the smoke screens, 'look at those idiots''Wasting money' etc. Unpaid rent, loan agreement, jewellery missing are all classic signs. Slot machines are designed to be very addictive, colours, music, flashing lights. You also said she was living with other family members who have now died and she is alone. This could be a trigger. She's gambling so she doesn't feel alone, or compensating for her grief. Compulsive gamblers talk of a 'bubble', being emotionless. It's an emotional illness with financial consequences and it also damages your mental health. They can't see life without it. So it continues. To help would be to talk about it. Find a gamanon meeting for yourself and get some support and advice. I'm presuming you're not in the uk? Call gamcare, chatroom live at 1pm uk time. Look at your local resources for help if you suspect someone is gambling.

 
Posted : 19th March 2019 11:25 am
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Thank you for the reply @Merry go round. The problem is that right now I can't even tell 100% sure that she's gambling. As I mentioned, this seems like one of the possibilities (and by the telltale signs you mention, it seems to be more possible than I originally thought) but I still don't know for sure whether most of the money isn't spent elsewhere/given to the colleague that is the recurring theme in the story. The best thing would be for aunt to tell me straight (or her sister or whoever from the family) that she has a problem with gambling so that we could start working with it but as of now, I don't really see a chance for that considering aunt's constant lies and smokescreens. I can't even get her away from the stimuli (whatever they are - the slots or the colleague or other company in the shack) cause she's so fixated on the job that I'd have to lock her in by force for her no to go there at least for one day...

For example, one time she hit herself on one of those metal bars in the bus during breaking when she was coming back home so that she could barely stand up for a few days afterwards and she still went to the shack every single of those days. Ate painkillers and clenched her teeth but still went. If even this didn't make her take a day off or even go to the doctor, I don't know how to separate her from the colleague and the shack...

Any tips for making sure that it really is gambling (or to separate her from the shack), so that we may be sure that really gambling is here to blame?

 
Posted : 19th March 2019 4:32 pm
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Do you think she's lending money to her colleague? Can you get someone to visit this place and see what's going on? Just impress upon her how concerned you are, ask her why she's so addicted to work? What's so great about it? Encourage conversation and see if you can get her to confide in you.

 
Posted : 20th March 2019 11:43 am
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Well it certainly is a possibility. Problem is that because of all the lies right now, I'm not sure anymore which parts of her stories are true and which aren't. The lending episodes were present back when she wasn't so much into all this mess so I'd assume that they are at least partially true (or used to be).

Regretfully visiting the place is impossible as because of the problematic legal situation that I mentioned, it's closed from inside and they only open it when they see a regular in the camera. Like, sure, they would let me or other people from the family if they saw us but they'd have to open the doors so it's not like you can just walk in and see aunt red handed playing the slots, regretfully.

And sure we've talked a lot like I mentioned. She still goes on about how she does _not_ like this job and wants to change it but dismisses any job offers we find for her. In her current state, I don't know how we could have her talk openly about it 🙁

 
Posted : 25th March 2019 7:50 pm
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If it’s yellow and waddles like a duck, it probably is a duck.

Your aunt is displaying obsessive and addict like behaviour that includes spending all possible hours where there are slots, running up debts, lying and being emotionally unavailable to the family. Operate on the assumption that she’s a compulsive gambler.

How to stop her and make her see sense? Short answer: you can’t. The desire to overcome the addiction and turn her life round has to come from within her. No one else can do it for her. You can try until you’re blue in the face and it gets you to where you are now.

Step back and detach with love. Allow her as an adult to learn how to look after herself. Encourage GA and go to GamAnon to learn how to cope - and how to live your life without obsessing about someone else’s.

The family can’t change her behaviour but they can decide what behaviour is acceptable at family gatherings. If her standards aren’t good enough, don’t go and don’t lie about why. If her turning up late with the phone ringing isn’t good enough to celebrate a family occasion, don’t invite her. If you’re being lied to, drop back and don’t contact her. Not to punish or manipulate her but to set boundaries that you are too valuable a person to tolerate being continually lied to. And above all, don’t offer financial bailouts. All that does is to allow her to gamble harder and faster. Removing the consequences of gambling is enabling.

You mention talking a lot with nothing being said. Sounds like manipulation. Don’t participate. Change the subject, talk about yourself and your life and interests. Maybe stop talking and stop initiating these conversations. State your position clearly but briefly: she seems to have a gambling problem.

The family at the moment are becoming obsessed with monitoring her behaviour and discussing amongst themselves but this is a way of staying stuck, it allows a continuing cycle of more of the same. Focusing on her is a way of avoiding focusing on yourselves. Switch the focus over to you and to how you lead your life, to your values and dreams and goals. Relate to her from how she fits into your life, rather than trying to take over hers.

CW

 
Posted : 26th March 2019 7:01 am

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